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Utopia (Penguin Classics)

Thomas More
 
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Revised introduction; new chronology and further reading

Translated with an Introduction by Paul Turner.

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This short story is, depending on who you ask, an early Communist manifesto, or a Catholic apology, or a veiled criticism of domestic English polit... (show more)

This short story is, depending on who you ask, an early Communist manifesto, or a Catholic apology, or a veiled criticism of domestic English politics, or ... well, just about anything really. Arguments for and against some of these are well-covered in the very accessible introduction, along with a brief portrait of the man himself - he looks like a jolly interesting (if occasionally barking mad) chap, so I shall have to look for a full biography.

The work itself was influential enough to give its name (which means "No [such] place") to a genre - utopian works these days are those that purport to describe a perfect happy society. They are sometimes self-contradictory, usually fanciful, often ridiculous, and always betray the author's prejudices. The grandfather of them all has all of these flaws in spades.

It's particularly interesting that while More was executed for opposing Henry VIII's split with Rome, and was even declared a martyr and saint by the Roman church, that quite early in the book there are some strident condemnations of Catholic practice - " most of [Christ's] teaching is far more at variance with modern conventions than anything I suggested, except in so far as his doctrines have been modified by ingenious teachers, doubtless on [the church hierarchy's] recommendation " for example. Or when analysing who actually does the work that keeps society running, he lists amongst the lazy " all the priests and members of religious orders ", who do nothing to produce what is needed for a comfortable life. And that last clause is Saint Thomas More speaking, not me.

In his description of the physical and political setup of Utopia, who does what work, the Utopians relations with their neighbours and so on, More's vision is, if admittedly ridiculous and putting (just like most socialist and christian writers) far too much faith in human nature, but it is at least fairly consistent.

But the Utopians' social structure and religious outlook are contradictory. Much is made of their placing high value on human life and that all people are equal. But on the other hand, women are subservient to men and must confess their sins to their husbands. And More makes the very surprising mistake (surprising in that such an obviously intelligent person would make it even though it was a common fallacy of his time and indeed still is among certain contemporary morons) of assuming that atheists have no incentive to behave like decent people. According to him, because they lack the fear of eternal damnation, atheists will look out solely for themselves and ruthlessly exploit everyone else for their own pleasure, and that this is a Bad Thing. This is obviously false. Being nice to people is pleasurable even when the recipient of your grace is a stranger. Additionally, being nice to people means that people will be kindly disposed to you and behave decently towards you in turn - being a nice person generates its own worldly reward.

Of course, in all that I'm sure I'm just as guilty as those I mentioned in the first paragraph, and have simply read my own prejudices into More's words. I invite you to do the same and commend this book to you.

Let me also commend this book as an instruction manual to the scoundrels who lurk in Parliament and the Inns of Court. More's ideal society believes that the entire set of laws and regulations of a society must be short and clear enough to be readable and comprehensible in toto to a normal person, and that normal people should represent themselves in court. In fact, there are no lawyers at all. (show less)

 
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dear SIR thomas more,
after watching jeremy northam portray you so brilliantly (and handsomely) on showtime's "the tudors," i remembered that i wa... (show more)

dear SIR thomas more,
after watching jeremy northam portray you so brilliantly (and handsomely) on showtime's "the tudors," i remembered that i was once interested in your philosophical ideas and your saintly life back when i cared about catholicism. your tract 'utopia' was lying around my house and nearly didn't make it during one of our household's book purges, but i saved it from the clutches of my library's book sale with the intention of basking in your brilliant political ideas and hoping that it would bbring me around to catholic thinkers.
i must confess that i am most disappointed in the contents of your work. the prose is boring. it must have lost something vital in translation from latin to english, because frankly, if utopia is as boring as your description of it is, then i feel sorry for its inhabitants. i never knew much about communism, but it seems to be a common theme in the threads around here. while i will be the first to admit that many of the ideas in your work are quite interesting, you totally give the female sex the shaft. i am saddened by that, as you seemed to be such a pro-female person in life. stupid catholicism. additionally, your society seems to be founded on equal opportunity exploitation, particularly of other races in war. paying other people to fight your wars simply because they're savage and therefore in your eyes deserve to die is really quite cruel.
in short, perhaps i shouldn't have saved your book after all. indeed i may just give it back to the sale this year.
love,
~a reader. (show less)

 
 
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    As some of the previous reviews have stated, I'm sure Utopia has lost much of its meaning through the translation from its native Latin (By no means is this comment directed at the translation - I think much of the difficulty lies in the inherent limitations of English).

    For the rating I have given, I considered three things: the general enjoyment from reading the book, the ideas contained within and the historic importance (and context) of the work.

    Immediately after I finished reading th... (show more)

    As some of the previous reviews have stated, I'm sure Utopia has lost much of its meaning through the translation from its native Latin (By no means is this comment directed at the translation - I think much of the difficulty lies in the inherent limitations of English).

    For the rating I have given, I considered three things: the general enjoyment from reading the book, the ideas contained within and the historic importance (and context) of the work.

    Immediately after I finished reading the book, I determined that I didn’t enjoy it. After giving it much thought, I’m still not sure why that is – possibly the difficulty I have with the concept that all men are created equal, yet women are subservient to men (although, given the historical context, Moore can hardly be chastised for that), the inherent flaws I see in the ability of a society to function as described, or even some of the other more subtle difficulties I see with the novel (such as applying logical debate to religion).

    The difficulty I’m also faced with is the degree to which Moore is suggesting that Utopia would be the perfect society (particularly since he states within the text that he does not agree with all of the Utopian ideals) and the degree to which it is a work of satire (particularly in the context of his writings on Luther). Is it No Place because it did/does not exist or because it could not exist?

    However, given the historic importance of the text it is definitely worth the read to form your own views. (show less)

     
     
    by Christine Oliver on Nov 01, 2009 at 05:56AM

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    Before reading this exceptionally important piece of literature, I had heard that it was somewhat of a communist manifesto. In many ways it is and the society described by Moore sounds great. The only problem I really have with it, is that the society he describes exists by exploiting the weaknesses of other nations which do not exercise the same governmental practices. As such, the society he describes is not as pure as he makes it sound. As a whole, I think his ideas aren't all that great, ... (show more)

    Before reading this exceptionally important piece of literature, I had heard that it was somewhat of a communist manifesto. In many ways it is and the society described by Moore sounds great. The only problem I really have with it, is that the society he describes exists by exploiting the weaknesses of other nations which do not exercise the same governmental practices. As such, the society he describes is not as pure as he makes it sound. As a whole, I think his ideas aren't all that great, but it is the details of his work which I think we should take and use in a current world. If nothing more, his work shows us just how progressive Moore was. Utopia is a must read for anyone interested in political philosophy and is even more relevant given the present situation of the world under a capitalist economy. I will most definitely be learning latin to read other works, but I will make sure that the original of this is among those readings. (show less)

     
     
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