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About the rapeing of Orwells message. . .
I love how people think that 1984 is a warning. I also love how people say it is SSSOOOO relevent today. If you really read the book you would realize that it is an observation of humanity. Orwell was not a prophet or a preacher. He only wrote down what he observed. His books do not pass judgement. The masses, or majority are the villains in 1984, not the government. People allow the government to stay in control. They want "Big Brother" because it makes them feel safe. The governmet just gives the people what they want.
Grant Johansen about 1 year ago
Everything that you say is happening that makes 1984 relevant was allowed by you. I suggest before people start trying to tell people what Orwell was trying to say, they should probably pick up some of his other books. More importantly these people should probably read a little about the man himself.
I know I'm asking far to much from the masses who suffer from the dissorder of being a cognative miser. We need to bring accountability back so people will actually use their brains and realize that they are the government. Freedom is the only true form of safety, not asking the government to shield us so we don't have to think or worry. All we want is our MTV and our prozac. The joke is the government doesn't doll the stuff out or make it illegal until we ask. The masses wanted their victory gin.
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Now I defently agree with you man haha. And also people have to realize that the government will not baby them (even though this is what most prefer) only your OWN blood and sweat will achieve what you want. And in a sense it is relevant 2 today since humanity still acts in this way even to this day. The core of Orwell's theme is timeless which makes it a classic.
Alexander Pyles about 1 year agowow... spelling.
Facebook-användare about 1 year agoits the INTERNET WHO CARES as long as u get the message across it DOESNT MATTER my God ppl really.
Alexander Pyles about 1 year agoTo the person i deleted.
I am very sorry. I was trying to respond and hit the wronge comand link. Please repost your view. I was not trying to sensor you in any way.
Grant Johansen about 1 year agoHaha, it's okay. I just said that I rally liked your view on it all, but since he wrote Animal Farm and seemed to have the same negative view of the government, and because he grew up during the Russian Revolution, he may have been quite paranoid about that sort of thing. So I agree with the whole "warning" thing, but it is open to be interepreted in many ways. =]
Kristy Schwegel about 1 year agoOh yeah, and you should read A Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. You'd probably really like it. =]
Kristy Schwegel about 1 year agoReally? It doesn't matter? I guess that means that what people say doesn't matter either.
What would Orwell say about people who don't care about language, about getting your point across accurately? I think he would say it's ONE MORE SIGN of exactly what the OP was talking about, that citizens who don't care enough get the government and the life and the education they deserve.
Facebook-användare about 1 year agoWho cares?
Abby Koning about 1 year agoI care.
Someone has to care about the "rapeing" of the English language.
Although I agree with some of what you had to say, I think most of your generalizations are far too widespread to be taken seriously at face value. There is a lot to be said for seizing upon the right word at the right time and overusing "masses" doesn't make your point true. Who are these "masses" of whom you speak?
Abby Koning about 1 year agoAlso, each person who reads this book (and other works of literature by Orwell) is going to interpret it slightly differently. How can you say for certain how Orwell intended the book to be read? Certainly it is an observation of the human race in its its glories and sorrows, but do you think it is possible that it also is a warning? I don't think that is much of a stretch at all.
I also find it funny that you are lecturing "people" not to tell "people" what Orwell's message was when you are in essence doing the exact same thing. The only difference is that you (hopefully, otherwise it is the ultimate hypocrisy) have read some of his other books. As have I.
Furthermore, you poke fun at readers who say that "1984" is relevant today, yet go on to say "Everything that you say is happening that makes 1984 relevant was allowed by you." Therefore, you admit that it is relevant today and, to further prove my point, you go on to write your own warning (or "observation of humanity" if you will, because really, they are inseparable) based on the assumption that the situations in "1984" are in some sense true of the modern world.
Finally, I find it hard to take anything you say seriously when you misspelled "rapeing". Also, your profile picture is flipping me off, and that doesn't make me think highly of your intelligence either.
Like I said, I agree with some of what you have to say, but I must take issue with how you chose to say it. I just want you to reread your writing and perhaps accept the fact that you will never know exactly while Orwell wrote his book...mostly because he probably never knew himself. Who can say why we do what we do? I'm not so certain you know exactly what you believe about this book either.
Thanks for taking the time to read this!
Orwell's literature is brilliant and I'm glad it at least has readers thinking, even if I must disagree with some of the conclusions they reach.
Au revoir!
Has anyone here read George Orwell's "Politics and the English Language"? Sorry Alexander, but you're really in the wrong place to talk about "it's just getting the message across that counts". How you get that message across changes the message itself dramatically. I have no idea what your intelligence or education is, but if you want people to respect your message you should write like it matters.
PS: Since we're on the subject, I believe it's raping not rapeing. Oh well, you do get used to that on the internet, but that doesn't mean it doesn't matter.
PJ Wehry about 1 year agolol when its as menial as a typo or mispelling some ppl spazz for no need.
Alexander Pyles about 1 year agoomg ppl just love jumping down my throat all of a sudden its a typo very simple...................................................This is why ppl in America over stupid matters such as simple misspellings.........wow.....................but watever its your stress not mine.
Alexander Pyles about 1 year agohmmm maybe but then again its just a typo more than likely.......And I think Orwell would be disgusted about the Internet anyway and what it has done with the english language anyway.....and if you havnt noticed more and more kids dont care about skool or wat truely matters and we can thank the media for that. The governement is filled with dogma it might as well become something like Orwell talked about since nothing is getting done anymore.
Alexander Pyles about 1 year agoOMGOSH! ITS JUST THE INTERNETS!!!!!!!!!
LETS TRY TO AKT INTELIGENTLY AND DISCUSS ORWELL'S VIEWS AND NOT CARE ABOUT OUR SPEELING!!!!!!
What a pathetic view. Learn to spell or get used to not being taken seriously.
Rob Maher about 1 year agoHmmm its true thanks for making a mockery. Its funny how unless a discussion is positivily oriented it turns into a bashing session. Now typing is not writing.....its a form of communication this is a discussion so people are likely to mis speak so the same goes for here. Though I am glad that some people have no life but to only poke holes and make fun of what other people think....its wonderful to be an American......And if you are going to base intellegence on spelling then good luck really.
So glad everyone has a bone to pick with me, God Bless
Alexander Pyles about 1 year agoAnd for the Record we have strayed from the ORIGINAL MEANING FOR THE POST!!!!!!!
Alexander Pyles about 1 year agoSpelling is important, what if someone whose mother tongue is not english (like, let's say, me) wants to read this and understand everything that is said?
Answer: It's harder, and makes me think about how things sound, rather than what they mean.
We can't go back to the original meaning for the post (I think you meant the topic of the discussion, but I'm not sure) until someone has something meaningful to say about it.
All I can say is that we will never know what message Orwell was trying to send, I agree with someone that said that maybe not even he knew exactly what he wanted to say. Besides, every person who reads this book (and any other book for that matter) will find a diferent message in it, something that applies to their values, their culture and their lives. The important thing here is to talk about our impressions, debate about what this made us feel and maybe come up with a conclussion. Most probably not.
P.S. I'm sorry if I mispelled anything and for any grammar errors, please let me know if they are too bad, I want to fix them.
Daniela Gana about 1 year agoI love this on going discussion. In the first two posters we get to see some of the people Owells was talking about. This is not saying that there bad people, but there just human. This is a condition we all can sympathize with. I think the hostility that they have brought against them selves is due to two mistakes. First arguing that there is one interpretation to a master piece. Look at Shakespeare his works are given slightly different meaning based on how lines are said and subtler things, the same with a great book. The second mistake is that one person argued that language was not important. This begs the question how closely did they read 1984? Apart for a warning, and observations regarding the human condition, a major part of the book, is the great respect the English language was given and news speak. The simplification or removal of nuances was vilified to the highest degree. To make language too simple would kill thought and the human spirit. As we all know that is what the book has a its core the death the human spirit.
I humbly give my apologizes to those who know grammar. I thought it was just bull shit that teachers used to oppress me, and I never learned it. This book is the only thing that ever made me think it might have another purpose.
Alex Richard Boeke about 1 year agolol yeah this has transformed into a kind of interesting discussion about the structure of language and the value of upholding that structure. Boeke probably just made the best point on here by saying that Orwell portrayed a completely "functionalized" language as an element of the distopia. the way alexander typed originally could, i suppose, be considered as an example of valuing function over form... I think one of the things orwell saw was that, although it may have originated in functionality, as language has evolved it has become so complex and pervasive that it is an entity in and of itself, that it not only serves to communicate a message but also to help create that message. you may not care what people think of the way you type, and i don't care either, but there is a degree to which it will automatically affect people's opinions of what you say. Anyway, as for the original topic: to say Orwell's message is not relevant today is absurd and superfluous, i mean what the fuck?? this country currently perpetuates war, polices the world, and has gone to great lengths to strengthen surveillance. the biggest difference to me is that in 1984 the government uses fear to control the people and sustain an imperialistic vision, whereas in america today we're all lazy and hedonistic enough that we are appeased by our standard of living so we sit by silently and watch the government rapeing our personal freedoms. (a little more like brave new world???)
Johnny Bishop about 1 year ago